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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prof. Lu,</p><p>Thank you for your advice!</p><p>Kind regards,</p><p>Georg</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2023 06:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Löwdin orthonormalization is detailedly introduced in &quot;Modern Quantum Chemistry&quot; of Szabo</p>]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV: How to interpret energy terms?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prof. Lu,</p><p>Thank you for your reply!</p><p>I am looking forward to use your latest application in Multiwfn, this is a very interesting topic. </p><p>Concerning my topic of extremely high electrostatic and polarization energies in GAMESS-US EDA, I did some further investigations, which I would like to share, in case you or the members of the forum are interested in.</p><p>GAMESS - EDA is described in lit. J. Chem. Phys. 131, 014102&#160; (2009) by Peifeng Su and Hui Li.</p><p>It seems that electrostatic energy ( 50676.28 kcal/mol) in GAMESS EDA involves a huge interaction energy, which is mostly neutralized by the polarization energy (-50782.52 kcal/mol). Indeed, adding these two terms gives −106,24 kcal/mol, which sounds quite reasonable.</p><p>Also the total fragment interaction energy is calculated correctly, as I have been able to reproduce these values by calculating them &quot;by hand&quot;. Hence, the mathematics behind it seems to be OK.</p><p>It seems, as far as I have read the study above, that nucleus-nucleus repulsion energy for the complex molecule&#160; (E-nuc-X) is involved in the calculation of the KS-orbitals of the fragments (instead of E-nuc frag only), resulting in a huge positive electrostatic energy term. This results (seemingly) in a correspondingly large Delta - E, when comparing it to the final, SCF - calculated complex electron structure. This large Delta - E is represented in GAMESS - EDA polarization energy.</p><p>However, I am not definitely sure about that yet. </p><p>The repulsion energy calculated in GAMESS-US EDA might be an equivalent to Pauli Repulsion, since it is calculated in the same manner by switching from nonorthonormal to orthonormal wavefunction, as described in GAMESS-US output.</p><br /><p> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> SUPER MOLECULE ENERGY&#160; USING ANTISYMMETRIC NONORTHONORMAL WAVEFUNCTION<br /> (EXCHANGE ENERGY: ONLY X CHANGES)<br /> ----------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; FROM OWN BASIS&#160; &#160; &#160; FROM ALL BASIS<br /> T&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1403.12890958&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1403.08427349<br /> V&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -7592.41629433&#160; &#160; &#160; -7592.40280098<br /> X&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;37.50933497&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;37.51658975<br /> J&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2696.67754203&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2696.67759754<br /> N&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2062.03362382&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2062.03362382<br /> EC&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -6.72465000&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-6.72306280<br /> E&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -1399.79153393&#160; &#160; &#160; -1399.81377917</p><p> -----------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> SUPER MOLECULE ENERGY&#160; USING ANTISYMMETRIC AND ORTHONORMAL WAVEFUNCTION<br /> (REPULSION ENERGY: T V X J CHANGE)<br /> -----------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; FROM OWN BASIS&#160; &#160; &#160; FROM ALL BASIS<br /> T&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1403.73815072&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1403.75815248<br /> V&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -7593.22649878&#160; &#160; &#160; -7593.28389320<br /> X&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;37.48194256&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;37.49069044<br /> J&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2697.02385325&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2697.04743699<br /> N&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2062.03362382&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2062.03362382<br /> EC&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -6.72465000&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-6.72306280<br /> E&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -1399.67357843&#160; &#160; &#160; -1399.67705227</p><p>However, I am not sure about that either, since I am not very familiar with Löwdin orthonormalization.</p><p>If anyone knows some literature concerning Löwdin orthonormalization, I would be thankful if this literature is shared.</p><p>Kind regards, </p><p>Georg</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV: How to interpret energy terms?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Georg,</p><p>&quot;-50782.52&quot; is a quite abnormal value, I don&#039;t think it has any physical meaning.</p><p>By the way, sobEDA energy decomposition analysis method recently proposed by me is able to calculate orbital interaction energy, see J. Phys. Chem. A 2023, 127, 7023−7035, it is worth to try.</p><p>Best,</p><p>Tian</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2023 11:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prof. Lu,</p><p>Thank you very much for providing ETS-NOCV within Multiwfn.</p><p>I have tried to combine EDA-results as provided in GAMESS-US with ETS-NOCV from Multiwfn.</p><p>The result for ETS-NOCV for my fragmented molecule is:</p><p>&quot;Sum of NOCV eigenvalues:&#160; &#160;0.00002<br /> Sum of pair energies:&#160; &#160; &#160;-38.70 kcal/mol&quot;</p><p>As far as I have understood, the Delta-E-orb consists mainly of inter- and intrafragent polarization energies.</p><p>However, when calculating the same molecule (with the same fragmentation) with GAMESS-US, RUNTYP=EDA,</p><p>one gets as a result:</p><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; SUMMARY OF CMOEDA RESULTS<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; - PEIFENG SU AND HUI LI -<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;*******************************</p><br /><p> -------------<br /> OWN BASIS SET&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;HARTREE&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; KCAL/MOL<br /> -------------<br /> ELECTROSTATIC ENERGY&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; ES=&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;80.757731&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 50676.28<br /> EXCHANGE ENERGY&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;EX=&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.014236&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-8.93<br /> REPULSION ENERGY&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;REP=&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.117956&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;74.02<br /> POLARIZATION ENERGY&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; POL=&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -80.927031&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-50782.52<br /> DFT DISPERSION ENERGY&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;DISP=&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.017444&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -10.95<br /> TOTAL INTERACTION ENERGY HF OR DFT&#160; &#160; &#160;E=&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.083025&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -52.10<br />&#160; <br />Obviously, the polarization energy obtained with the latter is much larger than with ETS-NOCV. </p><p>This has lead to my questions: Are there different definitions used for polarization / electrostatic energy?</p><p>Is the repulsion energy calculated by GAMESS an equivalent to the Pauli Repulsion mentioned in Multiwfn manual? </p><p>Thank you very much in advance for your reply!</p><p>Kind regards,</p><p>Georg</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 17:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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