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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pmcardle wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I am unable to get the procedure described in the MultiWFN manual 4.23.5 to work<br />I get the error &quot;coordinates do not match&quot;<br />I am using GJF files as input and submitting the jobs to G16 using Gaussview 6<br />I am converting the chk files to fch using FORMCHK.<br />I notice that FORMCHK gives messages &quot;coordinates rotated&quot;.<br />What sequence of operations using G16 should I use?</p><p>Many thanks</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Please properly use &quot;nosymm&quot; keyword to avoid Gaussia automatically reorientating the system during calculation. This point has already been mentioned in Multiwfn manual.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I am unable to get the procedure described in the MultiWFN manual 4.23.5 to work<br />I get the error &quot;coordinates do not match&quot;<br />I am using GJF files as input and submitting the jobs to G16 using Gaussview 6<br />I am converting the chk files to fch using FORMCHK.<br />I notice that FORMCHK gives messages &quot;coordinates rotated&quot;.<br />What sequence of operations using G16 should I use?</p><p>Many thanks</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (pmcardle)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2023 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>RagnarB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>But if one were to provide the correct extended transition state Fock matrix to Multiwfn (read from a file) then it should give the exact result?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yes</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2023 10:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>But if one were to provide the correct extended transition state Fock matrix to Multiwfn (read from a file) then it should give the exact result?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (RagnarB)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 15:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes I see now, that explains it.<br />Should have read the manual.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It is not a bug. Please check the paragraph beginning with &quot;The energies of NOCV orbitals in Multiwfn are not calculated in the strict way of the standard ETS-NOCV method as described above! ....&quot; in Section 3.26.2 of Multiwfn manual. The difference you shown above is in acceptable range.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 11:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ETS-NOCV problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, <br />Very nice to see the availability of ETS-NOCV in Multiwfn. This will be extremely useful.<br />I&#039;m struggling a bit though to reproduce the orbital-interaction term by combining ORCA and Multiwfn.</p><p>I&#039;m trying to reproduce the numbers of of ammonia borane from this article:<br /><a href="https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jp209712s" rel="nofollow">https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jp209712s</a><br />This is the original author of the ETS-NOCV method and it uses the ADF implementation and the&#160; theory level is BP86/TZ2P.<br />The geometry (of the monomer) is given in the SI.</p><p>For the monomer (M) in the Table of the paper we have (BP86/TZ2P level of theory):<br />dominant orbital interaction: -65.5 kcal/mol<br />total orbital interaction: -75.8 kcal/mol<br />total interaction: -44.7 kcal/mol<br />-----------------------------------------</p><p>If I read in Molden files (generated by ORCA using BP86/def2-QZVP) for the dimer and the two monomers (making sure to have reordered the coordinates appropriately) I get with Multiwfn:</p><p>dominant orbital interaction: -58.08 kcal/mol<br />total orbital interaction: -70.170 kcal/mol<br />total interaction: -45.257 kcal/mol</p><p>So the total interaction energy is fairly well reproduced&#160; ~0.5 kcal/mol error (pretty good, considering different Slater vs. GTO basis sets) but the total or individual orbital interaction are off by &gt;5 kcal/mol.</p><p>For the ETS step in Multiwfn I tried to read in both the Fock matrix directly (from ORCA outputfile, using -1 option) and also to recalculate the Fock matrix based on the orbital-energies information present in the Molden file (-2 option). </p><p>If I use the ETS-NOCV implementation in ORCA instead I am able to reproduce the ADF-values really well:</p><p>dominant orbital interaction: -65.827 kcal/mol<br />total orbital interaction: -76.112 kcal/mol<br />total interaction: -45.257 kcal/mol (identical to that before)</p><p>Total orb interaction is off by only 0.31 kcal/mol and the dominant interaction is off by only 0.33 kcal/mol. </p><p>So I suspect a bug in Multiwfn but maybe only for the ETS part, not the NOCV:<br />The largest eigenvalue for the dominant pair is: -0.557 when using the ORCA implementation<br />The largest eigenvalue for the dominant pair is: -0.55726 when using the Multiwfn implementation, so identical.</p><p>Anyone got any ideas? </p><br /><p>Geometry that I used:<br />B&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.000035390&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.000019910&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.125149000<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.174850000&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.000074730&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.440064000<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.587435000&#160; &#160; &#160;-1.017410000&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.440035000<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.587331000&#160; &#160; &#160; 1.017440000&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.440002000<br />N&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.000044690&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.000077070&#160; &#160; &#160; 1.533410000<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;-0.953218000&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.000162730&#160; &#160; &#160; 1.904150000<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.476727000&#160; &#160; &#160;-0.825587000&#160; &#160; &#160; 1.903830000<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.476593000&#160; &#160; &#160; 0.825494000&#160; &#160; &#160; 1.903860000</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 08:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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