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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear professor, thank you for your time and help. The latest version program 17 1 9 4 12 works as intended indeed.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If you use a large-core ECP, then there will only be valence ELF basins. If a small-core ECP is used, core basins will also be present, which correspond to subvalence shell electrons. You can use option 0 in basin analysis module to visualize the basins to better understand their characters.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 10:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear professor, thank you very much for attending to the bug so quickly. </p><p>I was about to post <a href="http://sobereva.com/wfnbbs/uploads/d916a6298a0a38b7b905106a1d3c086a.xlsx" rel="nofollow">wfn_results.xlsx</a> this spreadsheet file with the results of the calculations I&#039;ve done overnight. Column A is the compound name (all are dianions), columns B to M are number of electrons expected to be found. Columns O to U are what 17 1 9 4 12 finds (blue colored refers to water solvent systems). It seems that the error is always in one basin (core or valence). I will now download the latest version and re run the calculations. </p><p>May I ask though, how are core electrons treated when ECP is present? The program detects &quot;Total/Alpha/Beta electrons correctly, but in the 17 19 4 12 integration it seems to find roughly total core populatons without ECP - ~ 5 electrons.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 09:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It is found to be a bug, I have fixed it, please download the latest version from Multiwfn website. Thank you for bringing this bug to my attention.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 09:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ELF basin populations and grid quality, use of solvent]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I apologize, please find here the problematic .wfn file:</p><p><a href="http://sobereva.com/wfnbbs/uploads/1dc1089902b70bd335235e54198d04ef.wfn" rel="nofollow">Be2F6_dianion_water.wfn</a></p><p>Some testing though seems that Be2Cl6 and Be2Br6 in water are just fine. And is some issue with this particular wnf file perhaps.</p><p>An update: The error seems to be only with the Be2F6 in water and only with the option &quot;Assign ELF basin labels&quot; (input sequence 17 1 9 (1-4) 12). Using a sequence &quot;2 Integrate real space functions in the basins 9 ELF&quot; during the same job yields valid results. Somehow, option 12 adds ~17 electrons to one of the basins. </p><br /><p>Here is copy of the terminal output ([Be2F6]2- (64 e), in water) from a low quality grid just for showing quickly the results, basin 21 is the problematic one: (first tests show the problematic basin changes each run)</p><p>12<br /> Assigning labels for core basins...<br /> Assigning labels for valence basins...<br /> Progress: [##################################################]&#160; &#160;100.0 %&#160; &#160; &#160;/<br /> Evaluating basin populations and volumes, please wait...<br /> Progress: [##################################################]&#160; &#160;100.0 %&#160; &#160; &#160;|</p><p> The following information is printed according to basin indices<br /> Basin indices, populations (e), volumes (Angstrom^3) and assigned labels:<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 1&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.2712&#160; Vol.:&#160; 198.400&#160; Label: V(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 2&#160; Pop.:&#160; 4.9320&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;80.681&#160; Label: V(F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 3&#160; Pop.:&#160; 4.9320&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;76.561&#160; Label: V(F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 4&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.2712&#160; Vol.:&#160; 202.918&#160; Label: V(F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 5&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.2368&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 6&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.2368&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 7&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3316&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.693&#160; Label: V(Be5,F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 8&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.923&#160; Label: V(F2,Be5)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 9&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3316&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.693&#160; Label: V(Be1,F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;10&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.920&#160; Label: V(Be5,F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;11&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.924&#160; Label: V(Be1,F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;12&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.920&#160; Label: V(Be1,F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;13&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.3454&#160; Vol.:&#160; 202.133&#160; Label: V(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;14&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0434&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.650&#160; Label: C(Be5)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;15&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.9907&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;16&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.9907&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;17&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0434&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.650&#160; Label: C(Be1)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;18&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.3454&#160; Vol.:&#160; 206.630&#160; Label: V(F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;19&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2627&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.581&#160; Label: V(Be5,F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;20&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2627&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.581&#160; Label: V(Be1,F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;21&#160; Pop.: 17.9989&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;22&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0149&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F3)</p><p> Sum of core basin populations:&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 32.5556<br /> Sum of valence basin populations:&#160; &#160; &#160;45.6637<br /> Sum of all basin populations:&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;78.2193</p><p> Sorting basins according to labels...<br /> The following information is printed according to order of basin labels<br /> Basin indices, populations (e), volumes (Angstrom^3) and assigned labels<br /> #&#160; &#160; 1&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;22&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0149&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F3)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 2&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;21&#160; Pop.: 17.9989&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F7)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 3&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;17&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0434&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.650&#160; Label: C(Be1)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 4&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;16&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.9907&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F6)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 5&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;15&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.9907&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F2)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 6&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;14&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0434&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.650&#160; Label: C(Be5)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 7&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 6&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.2368&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F4)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 8&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 5&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.2368&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.040&#160; Label: C(F8)<br /> #&#160; &#160; 9&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;18&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.3454&#160; Vol.:&#160; 206.630&#160; Label: V(F3)<br /> #&#160; &#160;10&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 3&#160; Pop.:&#160; 4.9320&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;76.561&#160; Label: V(F6)<br /> #&#160; &#160;11&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;13&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.3454&#160; Vol.:&#160; 202.133&#160; Label: V(F7)<br /> #&#160; &#160;12&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 2&#160; Pop.:&#160; 4.9320&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;80.681&#160; Label: V(F2)<br /> #&#160; &#160;13&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 4&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.2712&#160; Vol.:&#160; 202.918&#160; Label: V(F4)<br /> #&#160; &#160;14&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 1&#160; Pop.:&#160; 6.2712&#160; Vol.:&#160; 198.400&#160; Label: V(F8)<br /> #&#160; &#160;15&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;11&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.924&#160; Label: V(Be1,F2)<br /> #&#160; &#160;16&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;20&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2627&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.581&#160; Label: V(Be1,F3)<br /> #&#160; &#160;17&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 9&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3316&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.693&#160; Label: V(Be1,F4)<br /> #&#160; &#160;18&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;12&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.920&#160; Label: V(Be1,F6)<br /> #&#160; &#160;19&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 8&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.923&#160; Label: V(F2,Be5)<br /> #&#160; &#160;20&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;10&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3445&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.920&#160; Label: V(Be5,F6)<br /> #&#160; &#160;21&#160; Basin&#160; &#160;19&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2627&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.581&#160; Label: V(Be5,F7)<br /> #&#160; &#160;22&#160; Basin&#160; &#160; 7&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.3316&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.693&#160; Label: V(Be5,F8)</p><p> Number of core basins is&#160; &#160; &#160;8, their indices:<br /> 5,6,14-17,21,22<br /> Number of&#160; 1-synaptic basins is&#160; &#160; &#160;6, their indices:<br /> 1-4,13,18<br /> Number of&#160; 2-synaptic basins is&#160; &#160; &#160;8, their indices:<br /> 7-12,19,20</p><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; ============= Basin analysis =============<br /> -10 Return to main menu<br /> -6 Set parameter for attractor clustering or manually perform clustering<br /> -45 Export attractor information and cube file of present grid data<br /> -5 Export basins as cube file<br /> -4 Export attractors as pdb/pqr/txt/gjf file<br /> -3 Show information of attractors<br /> -2 Measure distances, angles and dihedral angles between attractors or atoms<br /> -1 Select the method for generating basins<br />&#160; 0 Visualize attractors and basins<br />&#160; 1 Regenerate basins and relocate attractors<br />&#160; 2 Integrate real space functions in the basins<br />&#160; 3 Calculate electric multipole moments and &lt;r^2&gt; for basins<br />&#160; 4 Calculate localization index (LI) and delocalization index (DI) for basins<br />&#160; 5 Output orbital overlap matrix in basins to BOM.txt in current folder<br /> 10 Calculate high ELF localization domain population and volume (HELP, HELV)<br /> 11 Calculate orbital compositions contributed by various basins<br /> 12 Assign ELF basin labels<br />2</p><p> Please select the integrand:<br /> -2 Return<br /> -1 The values of the grid data stored in an external file (.cub/.grd)<br /> 0 The values of the grid data stored in memory<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;----------- Available real space functions -----------<br /> 1 Electron density (rho)&#160; &#160; &#160;2 Gradient norm of rho&#160; &#160; &#160;3 Laplacian of rho<br /> 4 Value of orbital wavefunction&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;44 Orbital probability density<br /> 5 Electron spin density<br /> 6 Hamiltonian kinetic energy density K(r)<br /> 7 Lagrangian kinetic energy density G(r)<br /> 8 Electrostatic potential from nuclear charges<br /> 9 Electron localization function (ELF)<br /> 10 Localized orbital locator (LOL)<br /> 11 Local information entropy<br /> 12 Total electrostatic potential (ESP)<br /> 13 Reduced density gradient (RDG)&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;14 RDG with promolecular approximation<br /> 15 Sign(lambda2)*rho&#160; &#160; &#160; 16 Sign(lambda2)*rho with promolecular approximation<br /> 17 Correlation hole for alpha, ref. point:&#160; &#160;0.00000&#160; &#160;0.00000&#160; &#160;0.00000<br /> 18 Average local ionization energy (ALIE)<br /> 19 Source function, mode: 1, ref. point:&#160; &#160;0.00000&#160; &#160;0.00000&#160; &#160;0.00000<br /> 20 Electron delocal. range func. 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D(r)<br /> 22 Delta-g (promolecular approximation)&#160; &#160; 23 Delta-g (Hirshfeld partition)<br /> 24 Interaction region indicator (IRI)&#160; &#160; 25 van der Waals potential (probe=C )<br /> 100 User-defined function (iuserfunc=&#160; &#160; 0), see Section 2.7 of manual<br />1<br /> Integrating, please wait...<br /> Progress: [##################################################]&#160; &#160;100.0 %&#160; &#160; &#160;\<br />&#160; &#160;#Basin&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Integral(a.u.)&#160; &#160; &#160; Volume(a.u.^3)<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 6.2711728011&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1338.87200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;2&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 4.9320407832&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 544.46400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;3&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 4.9320349937&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 516.65600000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;4&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 6.2711766577&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1369.36000000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;5&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.2368212255&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.27200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;6&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.2368212255&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.27200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;7&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.3316213589&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;11.42400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;8&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.3444968056&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;12.97600000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;9&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.3316213589&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;11.42400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 10&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.3444968055&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;12.96000000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 11&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.3444968057&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;12.98400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 12&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.3444968055&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;12.96000000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 13&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 6.3453661586&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1364.06400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 14&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.0433783222&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 4.38400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 15&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.9906591894&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.27200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 16&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.9906591894&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.27200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 17&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.0433783222&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 4.38400000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 18&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 6.3453687602&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1394.40800000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 19&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.2626604030&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;10.67200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 20&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.2626604030&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;10.67200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 21&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.0149239202&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.27200000<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 22&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.0149239202&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.27200000<br /> Sum of above values:&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;62.23527622<br /> Integral of the grids travelled to box boundary:&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000009<br /> Integrating basins took up wall clock time&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1 s</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You Google driver only contains Be2Br6_vacuum_high.log, I don&#039;t find .wfn file.</p><p>.wfn file produced under implicit solvation model can be normally analyzed by Multiwfn.</p><p>ELF gradient is calculated analytically in Multiwfn.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2025 12:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is entirely possible to generate a wfn file using implicit solvent. However, is it reasonable to use ELF analysis on a solvated system wawefunction?</p><p>Running 17 1 9 4 12 on a [Be2F6]2- wfn file obtained with SCRF(SMD, solvent=water) in Gaussian16, results in a population of ~81 electrons. Be2F6 in vacuum results in 64.0 electrons as it should. </p><p>Here is part of the output:</p><p>The following information is printed according to basin indices<br /> Basin indices, populations (e), volumes (Angstrom^3) and assigned labels:<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 1&#160; Pop.:&#160; 3.5680&#160; Vol.:&#160; 139.506&#160; Label: V(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 2&#160; Pop.:&#160; 3.6193&#160; Vol.:&#160; 133.044&#160; Label: V(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 3&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.7588&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;42.311&#160; Label: V(F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 4&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.7588&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;41.842&#160; Label: V(F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 5&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.6866&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;40.412&#160; Label: V(F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 6&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.6868&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;39.994&#160; Label: V(F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 7&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.1917&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.520&#160; Label: V(F2,Be5)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 8&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.1916&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.520&#160; Label: V(Be5,F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160; 9&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.1478&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.025&#160; Label: C(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;10&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.1436&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.025&#160; Label: C(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;11&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.1401&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 5.491&#160; Label: V(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;12&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.6661&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;61.656&#160; Label: V(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;13&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.1405&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 5.506&#160; Label: V(F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;14&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2711&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.617&#160; Label: V(Be5,F8)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;15&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.0638&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 3.190&#160; Label: V(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;16&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.0638&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 3.171&#160; Label: V(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;17&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.8711&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;64.571&#160; Label: V(F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;18&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2669&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.601&#160; Label: V(Be5,F7)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;19&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.0565&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.651&#160; Label: C(Be5)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;20&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.8704&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;64.522&#160; Label: V(F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;21&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.6648&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160;61.330&#160; Label: V(F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;22&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.1918&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.520&#160; Label: V(Be1,F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;23&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.1917&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.520&#160; Label: V(Be1,F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;24&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2711&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.616&#160; Label: V(Be1,F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;25&#160; Pop.:&#160; 1.2669&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 1.601&#160; Label: V(Be1,F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;26&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.1513&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.025&#160; Label: C(F2)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;27&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.1513&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.025&#160; Label: C(F6)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;28&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.1406&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 5.561&#160; Label: V(F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;29&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.1406&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 5.509&#160; Label: V(F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;30&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.0638&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 3.175&#160; Label: V(F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;31&#160; Pop.:&#160; 0.0640&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 3.168&#160; Label: V(F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;32&#160; Pop.:&#160; 3.5685&#160; Vol.:&#160; 138.659&#160; Label: V(F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;33&#160; Pop.:&#160; 3.6200&#160; Vol.:&#160; 132.383&#160; Label: V(F4)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;34&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.1478&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.025&#160; Label: C(F3)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;35&#160; Pop.: 19.0373&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.651&#160; Label: C(Be1)<br /> Basin&#160; &#160;36&#160; Pop.:&#160; 2.1436&#160; Vol.:&#160; &#160; 0.025&#160; Label: C(F4)</p><p> Sum of core basin populations:&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 33.9792<br /> Sum of valence basin populations:&#160; &#160; &#160;46.9992<br /> Sum of all basin populations:&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;80.9785</p><p>Note that the sum of valence basin populations is nearly identical to that found in Be2F6 vacuum wfn file on the same quality grid (lunatic), which is 46.9920. Sum of core basin populations on the vacuum wfn file is 17.0051. The error appears to come entirely from C(Be1) with estimated 19.0373 electrons.</p><p>The .wfn file for this calculation is Be2F6_dianion_water.wfn, posted in the google drive link above. </p><br /><p>What could be causing the issue here?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2025 12:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ELF basin populations and grid quality, use of solvent]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Integration of ELF basins in Multiwfn is carried out based on uniform grids. However, for very heavy atoms, because electron density around their nuclei varies very sharply, it is impossible to accurate integrate core ELF basins based on the uniform grids, even if lunatic quality grid is used. Since core basin is usually not of chemical interest (and if they are accurately integrated, then their populations must be very close to integer, that means you can easily predict their populations without any calculation), you can only focues on valence basins. Alternatively, using pseudopotential for these heavy atoms, then at least innermost ELF basins will not be presented.</p><p>It is fully possible to use implicit solvation model when generating wavefunction files.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2025 09:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: ELF basin populations and grid quality, use of solvent]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>An update: Problem 1 was solely due to an issue in my laptop configuration. I am using a zsh shell in a Linux based OS and it appears that &quot;ulimit -s unlimited&quot; has to be the last line in the .zshrc file. Otherwise it won&#039;t get executed when opening a new shell session. I don&#039;t know why in my above reported high quality Be2Br6 log file calculation found 800+ electrons, but that is not an issue anymore, neither is segmentation fault. I have successfully ran some even heavier variations of the compounds im studying overnight and they all&#160; terminate gracefully even with the lunatic grid. Although, precision in basin populations drop as the size of the system increases, regardless of the lunatic quality grid.</p><p>May I still ask is it feasible to do this analysis (17 1 9 4 12) when implicit solvent was used via SCRF(SMD) command in Gaussian16 when generating the wfn file?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2025 08:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ELF basin populations and grid quality, use of solvent]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello!</p><p>I am trying to analyze ELF on a system [M2X6]2- M = Be, X = F, Cl, Br in gas phase and water. </p><p>Structures have been optimized in gas phase and water, respectively. WFN file was generated along with the SP calculation of the minima structures (Gaussian16) with route section &quot;M062X/aug-cc-pvdz SCF(VeryTight) Integral(SuperFine) output=wfn&quot; + &quot;SCRF(SMD, solvent=water)&quot; if water in the title name. </p><p>Multiwfn 3.8 dev binary build for Linux. The command sequence i am using is: 17 1 9 (options 1-4) 12</p><br /><p>Problem 1 (gas phase, no solvent!): For X = Br, low and medium quality grids produce too low total populations, high quality results in hundreds of electrons more than it should. Lunatic quality results in segmentation fault during search for attractors. Note, for X = F, Cl, high and lunatic quality produce very good result.</p><p>Problem 2 (solvent present): This i am not sure if it has to do with grid quality or rather artefacts of the SCRF(SMD) generated WFN. Be2F6 in water integrates to 80 electrons. </p><p>The wawefunction files are too large to upload to the forum. I am sharing a google drive link with relevant .wfn files, .xyz structures of the minima and .log files of mentioned multiwfn runs (multiwfn title.wfn | tee title.log). </p><p>If i may use the chance to ask how is ELF gradient calculated, are the derivatives analytical?</p><p><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PI1xnQtdHjmB2ckRmiNQnkYA_3PYfTCx/view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PI1xnQ … sp=sharing</a></p><p>Thank you very much for your time!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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