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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Questions on the Mulliken charge at excited states]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Possible reasons:<br />(1) &quot;cfgcrossthres&quot; in settings.ini is not small enough<br />(2) IOp(9/40=4) is still inadequate to print enough coefficients<br />(3) In the case of TD, Gaussian employs different treatment w.r.t. Multiwfn to consider the de-excitation configurations during constructing density matrix.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2023 01:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Questions on the Mulliken charge at excited states]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tian Lu,</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Tian Lu wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Have you added IOp(9/40=4)?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>No.</p><p>I have now recalculated with IOp(9/40=4), but it does not help:</p><p>GAUSSIAN:<br /> Mulliken charges:<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;1&#160; C&#160; &#160;-0.529187<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;2&#160; H&#160; &#160; 0.237978<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;3&#160; O&#160; &#160; 0.053232<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;4&#160; H&#160; &#160; 0.237978</p><p>MULTIWFN (using 18 13 ... Multiwfn3.8 NO_0001.mwfn ...):<br />Population of atoms:<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;1(C )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 6.52500478&#160; &#160; Net charge: -0.52500478<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;2(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 0.75219581&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.24780419<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;3(O )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 7.97060360&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.02939640<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;4(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 0.75219581&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.24780419</p><br /><p>I have also noticed that Multiwfn can produce the charges (almost) identical to Gaussian&#039;s ones<br />if I do the following:</p><p>Multiwfn3.8 td.fchk<br />200<br />16<br />CI Rho(1)</p><p>reboot</p><p>Multiwfn3.8 new.mwfn<br />7<br />5<br />1</p><p>Population of atoms:<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;1(C )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 6.52918728&#160; &#160; Net charge: -0.52918728<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;2(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 0.76202245&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.23797755<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;3(O )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 7.94676785&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.05323215<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;4(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 0.76202245&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.23797755</p><br /><p>So maybe the problem is with the density matrix itself... ?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2023 23:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Questions on the Mulliken charge at excited states]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Evgenii wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Dear Tian Lu,</p><p>Thank you for this example.</p><p>I think there is a discrepancy between Multiwfn (Version 3.8(dev), release date: 2021-Aug-17) and Gaussian Mulliken charges in case of UNRELAXED density.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Have you added IOp(9/40=4)?<br />If not, only very limited configuration coefficients will be passed to Multiwfn, and the result will be inaccurate.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2023 17:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Questions on the Mulliken charge at excited states]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tian Lu,</p><p>Thank you for this example.</p><p>I think there is a discrepancy between Multiwfn (Version 3.8(dev), release date: 2021-Aug-17) and Gaussian Mulliken charges in case of UNRELAXED density.</p><p>I use the same example, but with &quot;density(RhoCI)&quot;:</p><p>%nproc=6<br />%mem=100gb<br />%chk=td<br />#p b3lyp/6-31g(d) TD density(RhoCI)</p><p>test</p><p>0 1<br />C&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.52887991<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.93775230&#160; &#160; 1.12379107<br />O&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160;-0.67757652<br />H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160;-0.93775230&#160; &#160; 1.12379107</p><p>Gaussian Mulliken charges are</p><p> Mulliken charges:<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;1&#160; C&#160; &#160;-0.529187<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;2&#160; H&#160; &#160; 0.237978<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;3&#160; O&#160; &#160; 0.053232<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;4&#160; H&#160; &#160; 0.237978</p><br /><p>In the case of Multiwfn, I follow 4.18.13 of the manual:</p><p>Multiwfn3.8 td.fchk<br />18<br />13<br />td.log<br />1</p><p>reboot</p><p>Multiwfn3.8 NO_0001.mwfn<br />7<br />5<br />1</p><p> Population of atoms:<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;1(C )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 6.52542524&#160; &#160; Net charge: -0.52542524<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;2(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 0.75233290&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.24766710<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;3(O )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 7.96990898&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.03009102<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;4(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; 0.75233290&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; 0.24766710</p><br /><p>So the charges are not identical.</p><p>Why is this so?</p><br /><p>Thank you in advance.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2023 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Questions on the Mulliken charge at excited states]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Today a Multiwfn user asked me a question</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>...<br />the Gaussian charges at excited states are similar with the Qchem charges.</p><p>But Multiwfn charges are quite different although I used same input with Gaussian. </p><p>Could you please let me know why it is quite different?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Probably some other Multiwfn users also have this question, I paste my reply below:</p><br /><p>Please note that Multiwfn only loads orbitals from .fch file. If you want to input wavefunction of excited state into Multiwfn, you have to store natural orbitals of an excited state into Multiwfn.</p><p>Below I illustrate how to properly obtain Mulliken charge of an excited state.</p><p>This is a Gaussian input file<br />%chk=C:\gtest\H2CO.chk<br />#p b3lyp/6-31g(d) TD density</p><p>test</p><p>0 1<br /> C&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.52887991<br /> H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.93775230&#160; &#160; 1.12379107<br /> O&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160;-0.67757652<br /> H&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.00000000&#160; &#160;-0.93775230&#160; &#160; 1.12379107</p><p>The outputted Mulliken charges correspond to the S1 state:<br /> Mulliken charges:<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;1&#160; C&#160; &#160;-0.206651<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;2&#160; H&#160; &#160; 0.197002<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;3&#160; O&#160; &#160;-0.187352<br />&#160; &#160; &#160;4&#160; H&#160; &#160; 0.197002</p><p>Transform the H2CO.chk to H2CO.fchk, then boot up Multiwfn, input below commands<br />H2CO.fchk<br />200<br />16&#160; // Generate natural orbitals (NOs) based on the density matrix in .fch file<br />CI&#160; // TDDFT density matrix in the .fch has &quot;CI&quot; label<br />y<br />0<br />Now the orbitals in the memory correspond to NOs of S1 state, you can perform any analysis as usual, for example calculating Mulliken charges:<br />7<br />5<br />1<br />The result is completely identical to those outputted by Gaussian<br /> Population of atoms:<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;1(C )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; &#160; 6.20665&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; &#160;-0.20665<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;2(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; &#160; 0.80300&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; &#160; 0.19700<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;3(O )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; &#160; 8.18735&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; &#160;-0.18735<br /> Atom&#160; &#160; &#160;4(H )&#160; &#160; Population:&#160; &#160; 0.80300&#160; &#160; Net charge:&#160; &#160; 0.19700</p><p>In addition, you could find a .molden file have been generated in current folder, it contains NOs of S1 state. In the future, you can directly perform analyses for S1 state by directly using this file as input file.</p><p>In fact, above mentioned points have been mentioned at the beginning of Chapter 4 of the manual, please search &quot;Generating .fch file&quot; in the manual.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2019 02:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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